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Jul 2, 2021Philosophy/Ethics, Tech0 comments

Thought is an adaptive brain-activity

Van de Grind, 1997, 16

Julia and John are talking about the following article: Theoretical Models of Consciousness

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Julia

Thank you for the instructions, I’ve started writing and have some questions

Today 16:42

John

Shoot! 😊

Today 16:43

Julia

Do you think I can quote some of the old texts in the article or is that too boring?

Today 16:43

John

Well, that depends. A short, punchy one-liner should be fine.

Today 16:44   

Julia

OK, here’s a few I was thinking about using:                                         

Today 16:45

Julia

“Thoughts stand in the same relation to the brain as urine to the kidneys” (Vogt,1846)

Today 16:46

Julia

“No thought without phosphorus” (Moleschott ,1852)                        

Today 16:46

Julia

“The brain creates a conscious field just as the stomach and digestive tract create digestion.” (Searle ,2005)

Today 16:47

John

Holy moly! Last one’s a bit long, but those are certainly fine!

Today 16:48   

Julia

Yeah, I was doubting that last one, but I wanted to show how we still think in those same terms about the brain and the mind  😊

Today 16:49

John

They do sound similar, but are they really the same, more than a century later?

Today 16:50   

Julia

I found someone saying literally the same thing as Searle, but it’s in French:

Today 16:50

Julia

Pour se faire une idée juste des opérations de la pensée, il faut considérer le cerveau comme un organe particulier, destiné spécialement à la produire; de même que l’estomac et les intestins à faire la digestion” (Cabanis ,1802)

Today 16:52

John

OK, that is too long and too French … my high school French is quite rusty, but that does sound like literally the same, yeah. 😊

Today 16:53   

Julia

Cabanis is basically saying that the brain produces though like the stomach produces digestion, so …

Today 16:54

John

You could just reference it, without the whole quote.

Today 16:54  

Julia

I guess that would work too.                                                                    

Today 16:55

John

Good find, those quotes are quite thought provoking. So are you arguing against progress in neuroscience?

Today 16:56   

Julia

Oh no, not at all! Just that there’s some very basic assumptions we’ve kept since the beginning. 😊

Today 16:57

John

OK, even more looking forward to your draft!

Today 16:58   

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