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Apr 4, 2022Philosophy/Ethics, Tech0 comments

Logical laws are identical with natural laws of thought. Logic is … a physics of thought, otherwise it is nothing

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Julia and John are talking about the following article:
Psychologism

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Julia

In philosophy you had two camps: one group considered logic as the physics of thought

Today 17:08

Julia

logic is the set of laws that describe how we think, just like the law of gravitation describes how things fall

Today 17:08

John

Ok, that’s clear. The other group? 😊

Today 17:09   

Julia

The others thought logic is like an ethics of thought: what we should do if we want to think right

Today 17:09

John

I do understand the difference between those, but I’m still not sure why this would matter so much … for AI 🤔

Today 17:10   

Julia

Well, if I got things right, then the point is that in one case we can’t disobey the laws of thought, it’s just how we are wired?

Today 17:11

Julia

In the other case we choose to try to follow those laws, but we can fail. An AI could do the first, but not the second.

Today 17:11

John

Ah, now it is becoming clearer what the issue is! An AI can only do what it’s told to do, not choose what rules to follow.

Today 17:12  

Julia

Yes, also the difference would be between logic as an ideal theory or as a human practice

Today 17:12

John

Right, so is logic pre-given or do we develop it as seems fit to us?🤨

Today 17:13   

Julia

Exactly! That why everyone was accuring everyone else of being some kind of “psychologist”.

Today 17:12

John

What so bad about being a psychologist? I don’t get it …

Today 17:14   

Julia

In German there’s a difference between someone who practices psychology and philosophers who apply psychology where it doesn’t fit

Today 17:15

John

Somewhat like science and scientism?

Today 17:15   

Julia

Yes, that’s a good analogy: overextending the tools of one discipline to everything else

Today 17:16

John

But why was everyone name-calling everyone then? Isn’t is clear to which camp they would belong?

Today 17:17   

Julia

Well, if logic is hard wired in the brain, then you would be a “psychologist” in one sense, 😊

Today 17:18

Julia

but if logic is something humans build to fit their own needs then you would be a “psychologist” in another sense.

Today 17:18

John

This is all very confusing, I hope we can simplify that for the article.

Today 17:19   

Julia

Yes, perhaps we should leave the whole “psychologist” thing out, and focus on the physics vs ethics

Today 17:19

John

That would seem like a good idea, and make the link to AI more explicit!

Today 17:20   

Julia

I’ve actually got some good material on that from another group!

Today 17:20

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