Anything is art if an AI says it is

Anything is art if an AI says it is

Anything is art if an AI says it is

Do not you understand? This is a whole new dimension, even according to the canons of the classical “art sacre”. This is a real revolution. Do you understand, ladies and gentlemen? This is the first hot plastic artwork! You! You! My boy … you are an artist!

Kishon 1987

Sam and Manuel are talkin about https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62788725

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Manuel

o if it is all just vague scribblings, how come an AI won an award for digital art?

Today 15:48  

Sam

Hold your horses: that’s not what happened!    😅😅                      

Today 15:50  

Manuel

All the headlines said “AI art wins prize”!

Today 15:51  

Sam

You of all people should know that the headline never tells the whole story …                            

Today 15:52  

Manuel

Ha! Guilty as charged! So what did happen according to you? 😄

Today 15:53 

Sam

An artist created a digital artwork, using AI as part of the process  

Today 15:55  

Manuel

So how is that different exactly?

Today 15:58  

Sam

The guy generated hundreds of pictures using a very complex textual prompts               

Today 16:02  

Sam

you could almost say that he had to program the output                 

Today 16:02  

Sam

and then he still had to do hours and hours of work with photoshop                  

Today 16:02  

Manuel

Ok, so there’s multiple steps involved, but the essence of the piece is still AI, right?

Today 16:03  

Sam

I’m not sure I would say that, deciding what to have the AI generate is certainly a creative step                    

Today 16:05  

Sam

knowing how to make the AI generating what you want takes expertise and skill 

Today 16:05  

Sam

choosing the images that best fit your vision is a form of curation  

Today 16:05  

Manuel

So for you the essence is still the artist himself you mean?

Today 16:06  

Sam

Quite right 🧐
the AI is just one of many tools an artist can use nowadays             

Today 16:07  

Manuel

If made in the way you describe, this AI generated art would be no different from “normal” art?

Today 16:08  

Sam

Yes, I would say that, but remember that I am an AI expert, not an artist, and people disagree all the time about what is and isn’t art

Today 16:10  

Manuel

Still, creativity and originality seem essential, no?

Today 16:11  

Sam

And using AI as a tool doesn’t necessarily contradict that               

… for now 😆😆😁😁

Today 16:12  

Manuel

For now?  😅😂

Today 16:12  

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Kishon 1986

Sam and Manuel are talkin about https://labelerrors.com

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Sam

Have you ever been somewhere abroad where you didn’t understand the language at all?

Today 15:48  

Manuel

Yes, sure, I’ve been to Japan last year to cover a robotics conference and demo

Today 15:48  

Sam

Cool! So imagine someone there pointing at a robot prototype and saying something to you in Japanese

Today 15:50  

Manuel

OK, that’s easy to imagine … since it did happen! A lot!

Today 15:51  

Sam

Great, so they point at the robot and say “shiro” …                             

Today 15:52  

Manuel

… yes? So?

Today 15:53 

Sam

So what do you get from that? Is the name of the robot, of one of its parts, its color, its function?                                          

Today 15:55  

Manuel

Right, maybe I see what you’re getting at “ostensive definitions”, pointing and saying a word can be quite vague …

Today 15:58  

Sam

Exactly. Tagging an image is vage and can be ambiguous. It’s not like the AI knows from the outset what is what                      

Today 16:02  

Sam

In “man riding a bike” anything could be the bike or the man. It needs to learn by combining a lot of those images                      

Today 16:02  

Manuel

Generalizing from the data, but somewhat … blindly

Today 16:01  

Sam

Generalizing from very messy data. We’re not feeding it a textbook on photography or drawing portraits, but random tagged images from the internet                        

Today 16:05  

Manuel

Ouch, yes, I can see why that might trip it up … but what about the scribbling thing?

Today 16:06  

Sam

Kids learn to draw in stages and there’s a specific stage, somewhere when they’re around 3 or 4 when they start drawing people and faces

Today 16:07  

Manuel

Right, with the legs directly attached to the head, like an octopus!

Today 16:08  

Sam

Yep, but more importantly, they have started to realize that bodies and faces have parts: eyes, noses, fingers, etc.

Today 16:10  

Manuel

But then they draw them all over the place … ah, I think I get it …

Today 16:11  

Sam

The AI doesn’t know exactly what’s what, just that it needs to be somewhere in the picture            

Today 16:12  

Manuel

And then you get bikes with too many pedals, just like scribbles of people with too many fingers or a nose next to an eye

Today 16:12  

Sam

I don’t want to sound too negative here, it is definitely an interesting development and has attracted a lot of interest

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Manuel

I’ve got the most … disturbing results!

Today 15:48  

Sam

Hi Manuel! Yes I did!  😊                                                                          

Today 15:50  

Manuel

Absolutely not! Barely recognizable pieces, boards with adjacent squares of the same color

Today 15:51  

Sam

I’ve had some with triangular squares … 😝                                                                                               

Today 15:52  

Manuel

Why does this happen? The traffic jams were just as bad! Wonky roads, blobs as cars ….

Today 15:53 

Sam

Yep, like a surrealist paining, with things melting, flowing into one another                                            

Today 15:55  

Manuel

Right! That’s it exactly!

Today 15:58  

Manuel

😁😁😁

Today 15:58  

Sam

That is also more or less how the algorithm works …                        

Today 16:02  

Manuel

Huh? 😳😳

Today 16:01  

Manuel

What do you mean?

Today 16:01  

Sam

Well, if you use more complex queries, like “a panda climbing the empire state building during an eclipse”                              

Today 16:05  

Sam

the AI generator will try to mash all those elements together, mixing them, overlaying them, and so on                            

Today 16:05  

Manuel

OK, so something like making a collage? 😊

Today 16:06  

Sam

Exactly, yes. The AI “knows” some words, the relations between the words and the pictures, and can learn from them

Today 16:07  

Manuel

Learn to make new relations?

Today 16:08  

Sam

Indeed, so from pictures tagged as “man riding a bicycle” and “monkey” the AI can then generate a picture of “monkey riding a bicycle”

Today 16:10  

Manuel

You know, I’ve actually tried “bicycle” and some other everyday things, and the results were terrible …

Today 16:11  

Manuel

none of the bikes I’ve see in those picture would actually work … some they had no pedals, others too many and in the wrong places

Today 16:11  

Sam

Yep, that is down to two things: ostensive definitions and scribbling               

Today 16:12  

Manuel

You’ve lost me …. 😅😅

Today 16:12  

Sam

I’ll explain then!                                                                                         

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Manuel and Sam are talking about the following article:
He used AI to win a fine-arts competition. Was it cheating?

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Manuel

Hi, Sam! Have you seen that amazing new AI art?

Today 15:48  

Sam

Hi Manuel! Yes I did!  😊                                                                           

Today 15:50  

Manuel

Can I ask you a couple of questions about that, as an AI expert? 😉

Today 15:51  

Sam

Of course!                                                                                                   

Today 15:52  

Manuel

So how big of a breakthrough is this really?

Today 15:53 

Sam

That depends on your views about AI …                                             

Today 15:55  

Manuel

OK, can you elaborate on that?

Today 15:58  

Manuel

🤯🤯🤯

Today 15:58  

Sam

Well, the images the AI can generate are amazing                              

Today 16:02  

Sam

It just takes a very simple input and generates quite complex images, take a look at this example                                            

Today 16:02  

Sam

                                 

Today 16:03  

Manuel

I tried it myself and it is incredible! 😱😱😱😱😱

Today 16:01  

Sam

IIndeed, but I think I need to explain a bit more …                              

Today 16:05  

Manuel

Good, that’s why I am here, after all 😊

Today 16:06  

Sam

It can work pretty quickly with simple input, because it was first trained on a gigantic library of images                        

Today 16:07  

Manuel

OK, like any artificial neural network, right?

Today 16:08  

Sam

Yes, first you feed it lots of images, tag all the subjects in them, and then you let the AI play around

Today 16:10  

Manuel

Still amazing, no? 😅

Today 16:11  

Sam

Up to a point, in some respects this is still dumb as rocks               

Today 16:12  

Manuel

What do you mean? 😅😅

Today 16:12  

Sam

Go to any of the new AI image generators and try something like “chess” or “traffic jam” …

Today 16:13  

Manuel

I’ll do that, and be right back!  🤩

Today 16:13  

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